Christians usually know when an inquirer is on a genuine search for knowledge or just a misotheist who is playing games. The latter may think they do not have to play with the hand they have been dealt, so they try to mark the cards, deal from the bottom of the deck, and pull other foolish tricks with their eternal destiny. It is bad enough to demand proof for the existence of God, but worse when they insist that there is no evidence for him.
That is amazingly arrogant. When such a statement is made, this child is reluctant to spend a great deal of time with that person. Sure, I can make some replies and see if I can spot any sign that the Holy Spirit is working in his or her life. Sometimes they start with bluster, then interact more civilly than before.
One jasper was so supercilious when asked what evidence would convince him, he said to present it and he would decide if it was worthwhile. I could tell that the goalposts were already in his pickup truck, ready to be moved. Also, he was judging other Christians and me as stupid because we could not meet his rigged challenge! I didn’t play. After all, there are times to end the discussion and find better things to do. Jesus did that.
Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of giving evidence when needed. Apologetics is important to help remove stumbling blocks for people coming to faith in Jesus. Certain kinds of evidence are not needed, as evidence for God is all around and they have no excuses. However, evidence must be presented in a presuppositional framework. That is, we presuppose that God exists and the Bible is his Word, and we will not accede to their naturalistic presuppositions.
Most people are indoctrinated into an evolutionary worldview. It’s not just about science, philosophies of life and morality are taken from it. But not consciously for the most part.
We have two articles to consider that are on a similar theme. The first one is about the “no evidence” claim, and it has a different approach we can use to get the attention of a scoffer. I reckon this is best in person with friends or family.
The ‘no evidence for God’ claim, though, is an interesting one. It often works to frame the discussion in such a way that only we have a burden of proof. It allows the unbeliever the comfortable position of the skeptic: they get to poke holes in our case without ever having to make a case for anything themselves. This however sets up a false dilemma: either we can convince them that God exists, or our faith in God isn’t reasonable. But there’s practically always a way to doubt any argument for God (or practically any argument for any philosophically interesting conclusion, for that matter) that’s not obviously wrong to all rational people. Plus, skeptics regularly demand airtight arguments practically anyone would have to accept before they would believe in God (Agnosticism). As such, we almost certainly won’t convince them. But then that supposedly means that our faith in God isn’t reasonable. The game is rigged from the start. Heads, the skeptic wins; tails, we lose.
You can read the entire article at “No evidence for God?” Don’t forget to come back for the next part.
You came back. Groovy! Unbelievers and even some Christians may wonder if the Bible is useful and can be trusted. I did. I was raised in an Untied Methodist (misspelling intentional) home and was allowed to attend a Babdiss school. Those Fundamentalists (I am not using it as a pejorative) insisted on the Bible being the inerrant word of God, so I did some investigation on it and on beliefs. That is, with an attitude toward doctrine-type statements of, “Where did you get that?”
Any question of origins is historical in nature, not entirely subjected to empirical science. The Bible, through its authors, makes some pretty strong statements about itself. It is self-attesting, and a reliable historical document based on eyewitness accounts. Historical matters have been verified, never disproven. Also, there is prophesy that has been fulfilled, sometimes hundreds of years later. Documented.
People today must judge between two contradictory worldviews: the biblical worldview and the evolutionary worldview.
I’m a lawyer, so I think about this like a legal case. Juries have to judge between opposing litigants, like we have to judge between worldviews. Juries do it by weighing the evidence. Let me give an example from a case I worked on.
I’d be much obliged, and it would be in your best interest, to read that one too. It can be found at “Do we have enough evidence to trust the Bible?“
I wrote this about Neil deGrasse Tyson, someone who does not believe that there is evidence for God.
Although I enjoy listening to Tyson speak, he has a blind mind, for he is not convinced that there is a God. His paltry excuses do not rule out or cancel the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God. His arguments are analogous to someone looking at the space shuttle and saying, “I see no evidence of an architect or engineer.” After you have read the following, see if you would agree with my assessment of Tyson:
Reason, logic, and facts have failed to penetrate Tyson’s heart, mind and consciousness, for he is a pompous evolutionist. He proclaims what only the unenlightened, naïve, uneducated (education is the acquisition of true wisdom and true knowledge) and illiterate would grab hold of or maintain.
He can reason correctly, perceive and rightly deduce that an intelligent being created, formed, and shaped a simple flint arrowhead found lying on the ground. No amount of argumentation or reasoning will dissuade him from that rightly deduced conclusion. However, when confronted with a three-pound hunk of a squishy, pink, jelly-like organ, the most complex thing in the known universe, the human brain, in which a single cell can hold many times the amount of information as contained in any set of encyclopedias, he reasons and comes to the conclusion that it made itself.
The brain is an organ which contains approximately 100 billion neurons (nerve cells), with 100 trillion connections, and is the most mysterious, the most advanced, the most complex, sophisticated and amazing machine ever devised. It’s an organ with incredibly intricate parts that is so multifarious and perplexing that even the most advanced scientific minds struggle to understand and have not even begun to plumb its depths and secrets, but somehow it made itself. And not only made itself, but came into being and now resides in the head of a creature whose ancestors sprung from the inorganic rocks that comprise much of the planet that is home to man.
He brazenly proclaims in fairy-tale fashion the tenets of his nefarious religious beliefs, which violate all the known laws of science and biology dealing with abiogenesis, expounding the belief that life came from non-life once upon a time.
He sees no proof or evidence that God exists. However, the proof is there, right in front of his face. Every time he stands in front of a mirror he gazes upon the world’s most advanced and complex machine to ever exist. But he is determined to stay willingly ignorant, for he has too much pride and too much time and study in his delusion to honestly consider the overwhelming avalanche of evidence for God’s existence.
As far as Tyson’s “knowledge” of evolution, God has this to say: “Thus saith the LORD…. ‘I am the LORD, that maketh all things…that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish” (Isaiah 44:24–25).2
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I love the song I found on your blog “Monkey Scheme.”
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ApologetiX has done hundreds of songs where the words are used for biblical matters. Here’s my playlist of creation and Flood related material by them:
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I plan to share this in the round up when I get home in May
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Thanks! Hope you get the ROUND up SQUARED away.
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